The grip still retains much of its brown paint, being approximately 70% intact, and the golden yellow paint on the cherry blossom menuki is approximately 50% intact. For more recent exchange rates, please use the. One thing I also saw while researching is the nightmare of the number of fakes out there. Identifying the Best Training, Tools, and Tactics for the Armed Civilian! Pair of Mid 19th Century Japanese Long Blade Katana Swords with Scabbards, Japanese Samurai Katana Sword Blade NCO Matching Number Copper Handle Steel Saya, Japanese Sword - Naganata or Wakizashi - Suki Sada Osafune Province - Circa 1570, EXCELLENT WWII Japanese Sword NCO CAVALRY SABER Original World War 2 SHIN GUNTO, Katana, samurai sword - tamahagane steel - Simon lee - Japan - 20th century, Japanese Clay Tempered 1095 Steel Tanto Sword Shirasaya Razor Sharp Knife Dagger, Damascus Folded Steel Tachi Japanese Samurai Sword katana Full Tang Sharp, CUSTOM HANDMADE D2-TOOL STEEL CHINESE STYLE SAMURAI TANTO SWORD WITH SHEATH, GREAT SAMURAI SWORD - AMAZING KATANA JL-055B, Antique Japanese SAMURAI Sword NIHONTO WAKIZASHI Musashitarou Yasukuni, 2020 Pokemon Japanese Sword & Shield Shiny Star V Marnie Shiny 198 PSA 10, Worldwar2 imperial japanese army koshirae exterior for NCO shin-gunto type95, WWII Japanese SHOWA 18-year Type3 Sword NIHONTO KATANA Imperial Japanese Army WW, WW2 Japanese Army Officer SHINGUNTO KATANA Samurai Sword Type 98 *HAND-FORGED*, Zinc Alloy Hand Guard Tsuba Kashira Fuchi Menuki For Japanese Katana Sword, Proffesional TANTO DAMAST TRAINING 6KM46-165BK, Beautiful Hanwei Celestial Katana in Superb condition, upgraded Sageo, with tags, WW II JAPANESE OFFICERS SAMURAI SWORD - ESTATE ITEM VET P/U. tourist momentos that are commonly thought to be some special type of Japanese sword. There are stories that the small papers between the handle wrap (ito) and
There are some very knowledgeable and experienced folk here and you can trust their deduction. antique blades were left unsigned or have had their signatures (mei) lost over time. This product is available for international shipping. can be. It sounds to me like he was indeed a 3rd party procuring items. If the blade is not sharp all the way to the habaki does not assure it is a WW II era blade, but is
more then I would pay but I'm grinch, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/WW2-Japanese-Type-95-NCO-Sword/222687760837?hash=item33d93991c5:g:KZAAAOSwIJlZ6-vP, another version, price is abit high but a honest piece, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Original-WW2-Japanese-Shin-Gunto-NCO-Samurai-Sword-extremely-rare-variation-3/332424959489?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D48795%26meid%3D4f20fff958304da4af55f1ba88fb7e90%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D222687760837&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851. Some of these bone swords will have very low grade metal mountings, commonly with the Tokugawa mon incised into or embossed on the mountings. Buy It Now. well it would have fooled me, how about you other gunto guys? Traditionally this function is assigned to the Habaki (blade collar). Complete with metal locking spring tab that secures the blade to the scabbard. Original Item: Only One Available. The scabbards and hilts are usually designed to resemble bamboo or old wood sticks. All correct! Paste as plain text instead, The grip wrapping and menuki are cast-formed. The serial number should be near the bottom of the . I agree, once they start nailing the kissaki and proper proportions it will be a minefield out there. Be the first to know of our latest discoveries and exclusive offers. Please consider starting a new thread rather than reviving this one, unless your post is really relevant and adds to the topic.. One, they aren't in the correct range. I was so stupid to have some and sold it - for better swords. A real shooter with aim. These were made as tourist items from the 1870's through the 1930's. The detail that troubles me is the saya suspension ring being in the right place. I would recommend you check with your original person who raised the concern about it's originality. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. There are strategies in place with most countries Customs and Border protection to seize and destroy fake watches, handbags, CD's DVD's etc, but swords are not even on the RADAR. The blades are very straight and thin and often have significant flaws. I'm not trying to be rude, but we don't know you and your authenticity in your posted reasons to be here. Screws. However, just because the blade is steel does not mean it is a genuine Japanese sword as many modern replicas are made with steel blades. Every musket, rifle, display machine gun, machine gun parts set or gun sold by IMA, Inc is engineered to be inoperable according to guidelines provided by the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATF). Gun magazine laws, concealed weapons laws, laws governing new made display guns, airsoft guns, blank fire guns, and other items vary greatly by nation, state and locality. The NMB says so!" They sell it for 165 EUR everywhere. 20062021 Nihonto Message Board Most soldiers and citizens surrendered their swords to the American occupying forces. Pasted as rich text. Look at the bohi at the kissaki and the arsenal marks are terrible! Display as a link instead, Lets hope the guys that make the fakes arent reading all this and learning what to improve. Funny story Paul. Traditionally this function is assigned to the Habaki (blade collar). Everything for sale on ima-usa.com is completely legal to own, trade, transport and sell within the United States of America. (NOTE: Some swords may have two mekugi - one near the guard and the other near the end of the hilt. The metal of the scabbard has the patina of old iron. were signed simply as a way of giving more prestige to the sword even though it was machine made. Given the large jump in value that NCO swords have experienced in the last few years and given how relatively easy it is to copy something that is cast and milled without a lot of hand work involved, I think it is only a matter of time, and not much time at that, before the fakes are indistinguishable from the real thing. Your link has been automatically embedded. I can't get over the prices on these nowadays.. crazy, https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-WWII-Japanese-NCO-OFFICERS-SWORD-WITH-MATCHING-NUMBERS/253234351978?hash=item3af5f18f6a:g:wxsAAOSwAHtZ94Dm. Here is a decent fake Stu W. posted over on WAF. from China A number of opinions have been provided, some with hints of the issues. The saya National Guard Marksmanship Training Center. It is said that during battle soldiers would not use the ring but rather would stick the sword through the belt the same way as the Samurai in ancient times. In my earlier years, I would have rattled off a long list of the things I see wrong, where the veterans would remain silent. As originally produced the saber included a leather finger loop inside of the guard, which was riveted to the basket guard. NOTE: The following suggestions for determining whether a Japanese sword is old or new (WW II era or later) are only general guides. You cannot paste images directly. In Germany you got now only fake Gunto. You might also visit the Ohmura site and study the pictures there. Blade length approximately 27 1/2 inches . Would need in hand to see many more. It's hard to really pin down, just doesn't sit right with the eye. It is said that during battle soldiers would not use the ring but rather would stick the sword through the belt the same way as the Samurai in ancient times. Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. WW II era swords have been put into shirasaya or
Everything for sale on ima-usa.com is completely legal to own, trade, transport and sell within the United States of America. Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. World War 2 Historian, Relic Hunter and expert in identification of WW2 relics. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. The copper ferrule has three stamps . On newer swords the file marks on the tang will be sharp and crisp. Something went wrong. All Rights Reserved. But a small percentage made its way back to the United States and into the collector market. This sword I shared with Steve (this thread) is a very good knowledge test - the goofy belt hanger (Bruce references) made me discount the sword immediately, but on closer look (my opinion) the stamps are a bit better than the other, cheaper fakes out there on the market. Compact Chainsaw (Tool Only) New, Legion 5 Pro 16" Gaming Laptop QHD 165Hz R9-6900HX 16GB RAM 1TB SSD RTX 3070 Ti, Pokemon GO Premier Deck Holder Box Dragonite VStar Collection Sealed, JBL Live 300TWS True Wireless Earbuds Sweat and Water Resistent, Tenda SG108 Network Gigabit Switch 8 Port 10/100/1000Mbps Wired Ethernet Lan Hub, Calvin Klein Men's CK19137S-200 Fashion 63mm Brown Sunglasses, SanDisk 1TB Extreme Portable SSD V2 1050 MB/s USB-C USB 3.2 Gen 2 Solid State, Luxury Premium Soft Comforter Hotel Collection by Kaycie Gray, AKG Y500 Wireless Bluetooth On-ear Headphones with Universal Mic/Remote, Men's Dri-Fit Causal Cotton Polo Shirt Jersey Short Sleeve Sport Causal Golf T, 110V-1350W Water Heater Portable Electric Immersion Element Boiler Travel Coffee, Apple iPhone 12 Pro Max, A2342, 128GB, Graphite, Unlocked, Very Good Condition, ONE PIECE TCG BOOSTER BOX ENGLISH Paramount War FACTORY SEALED NEW, 6.5 x 9.25 Padded Bubble Mailer Color Logo, Intel Core i9-13900KF Unlocked Desktop Processor - 24 Cores (8P+16E) & 32 Thread, USB-C to USB-C Cable Male Type-C Cable Cord Fast Charger Charging Data Sync, Versace Dylan Blue by Gianni Versace 3.4 oz EDT Cologne for Men New Tester, OPTIFAST 800 READY-TO-DRINK SHAKE - 1 CASE - VANILLA - 24 SERVINGS, Lint Filter WE03X23881 Compatible with GE Dryer, LED Solar Firefly Lights Garden Outdoor Waterproof Swaying Lamp Landscape Decor, adidas AEROREADY Designed to Move Feelready Sport Tee Men's, PlayStation 5 Digital Edition God of War Ragnarok Bundle, Cuisinart JK-17FR Cordless Electric Kettle - Certified Refurbished, Dyson V10 Animal + Cordless Vacuum Cleaner | Purple | Certified Refurbished, Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Nano 13" Ultrabook Intel i7-1160G7 16GB RAM 512GB SSD, Tracfone Orbic Journey V (2) + 1 Year of Service with 1200 MIN/1200 TXT/1200MB. I agree. By law, Japanese citizens were forbidden to own swords. no interest to Japanese sword collectors. Authorized for production in 1935, the Type 95, commonly referred to as the NCO sword was all-machine made unlike the more expensive and higher-quality Officer's sword. Blade is 26.5 inches long, with an overall length of 36.5 inches. About 80,000 of the Ko sabers were produced between 1899 and 1936, with the lowest reported serial number being 1175 and the highest one being 83390. They are unfortunately getting pretty good now. WAY too big, wrong place and the square imprint around it. system works well. That's why I addressed here. Cut-out version brass tsuba. I really would have liked better pictures of the fuchi in light and the serial numbers, but I am very confident this is a well made reproduction. This example has a matching serial number 55250 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. Original Item: Only One Available. 2- no screw is used as per T-95 usual fashion on the hilt but a special screw assembly located on the pommel and holed for the sword knot. A new sword was pointed out to me recently which is very well made and in fact at first glance addresses a lot of the issues with obvious fakes. This thread is quite old. The Americans destroyed a large number of swords by dumping them into the ocean or by melting them. The scabbard exhibits about 70% of its original olive brown. Etchings. / full sized images available upon request. Machine made blade is good condition. The overall length is approximately 38 inches in the scabbard. The serial number on the throat of the scabbard, 65830 matches that of the blade. Something went wrong. You cannot paste images directly. Have a 3rd pattern nco Tokyo First Army Arsenal inspection mark "To" stamping serial number 141882 and wanted to know a possible year dating on that number range cheers Phil Quote Name: Stu W Posted March 7, 2014 Hi Phil, WW II era machine made swords have an etched temper line, not a true temper line (hamon) made
Most swords do not have matching numbers because somewhere along the life of the sword the scabbard was changed. By the way, the MILLIONS of copy ROLEXS have not slowed the demand for the real thing, or stopped prices rising. Swords of this type were made in all sizes, from tanto to katana or tachi. Make the gap between the arsenal marks less! the market. Man just crazy all the fakes and how great this sight is about telling how to spot them .many thanks for posting to help us out. The Japanese Type 95 pattern Army NCO's sword is one of the most reproduced / faked swords in the world, be warned. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. . Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Sword steel of the army standard , Blade length: 83.6, Curvature: 1.35, machine made, tempering in oils, with a fuller and no Hamon, Overall length: 100.2, Made in the Tky Artillery Arsenal Type 32 Gunt is a government supply noncommissioned officer sword enacted in 1889 (August 23, Meiji 32). I probably say this way too much BUT to flog a dead horse, the NCOs have a ton of small variations between subcontractors and between batches themselves, so just something to keep in mind. Katana | HEAVY Cutter For HEAVY Targets. Collectible Japanese Katanas, Japanese WWII Swords, Japanese Straight Razor, Japanese Tea Cup; Additional site navigation. . The early serial number shows this sword saw service throughout WW2. But a small percentage made its way back to the United States and into the collector market. Matching serial numbers 31123. I figured it might be useful to others. Used. Japanese swords will have a visible grain in the steel of the blade. There are a bunch more issues with the sword, so if anyone wants to test their detective skills this is a good opportunity. This example has a matching serial number 55250 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. WW2. Never use force to remove the handle.) the mounts can be interesting with hidden, spring loaded, pop out guards. The machine-made blade is 26 inches long. Pasted as rich text. WWII JAPANESE TYPE 98 ARMY SHIN-GUNTO SWORD!!! The tsuba is the plain style utilized on NCO swords. Etchings. A lot of people buy it and some weeks later you can buy it as a original NCO Sword.. Japanese early second pattern WWII Type 95 NCO shin gunto with matching numbered scabbard. There are numerous varieties of items made in the 20th Century as
There are so many. It comes with the original bag it came home from the war in. This law exempts antique firearms from any form of gun control or special engineering. Used In good condition! This example has a matching serial number 55250 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. To a novice who buys on impulse..then asks in the forums.you'll get BURNT. Army NCO's Sword, matching serial numbers. For questions or accessibility help - please call (908) 903-1200. Clear editor. Not just Gunto but Napoleonic ,K98 bayonets you name itSo look out in the future! Matching serial numbers 31123. I'll be an optimist Did he say to use as the basis for copies? once told the facts they simply try and sell it on at the same price they paid, to avoid a loss of money instead of learning from there mistakes. $159.50. Tokyo First Arsenal blade numbers. Sponsored. If the blade is aluminum, the sword is not
People can scoff at paranoia as much as you like but the simple fact is they are getting better, whether through study of originals or reading well intentioned post. By The Scabbardlooks to have some paint left, however it is under the leather cover, which we have not removed, so we do not know how much still remains. The Americans destroyed a large number of swords by dumping them into the ocean or by melting them. By placing an order, the buyer represents that he/she is in compliance with the law and will utilize the items in a lawful manner. the tsuka casting made me look 3 times, but just look at the stamps on the nakago, Ok, a little later I will add a photo of the unpainted serial numbers. Obvious two issues are the scabbard pattern and additional screw. However, it is ultimately the responsibility of the buyer to be in compliance of laws that govern their specific location. Steves last post real or copy? Can anyone tell me more about the sword than a cursory googling has resulted? Every musket, rifle, display machine gun, machine gun parts set or gun sold by IMA, Inc is engineered to be inoperable according to guidelines provided by the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATF). Many of the better
You may severely injure yourself and/or damage the sword. We assume no liability associated with misuse of our products. Unfortunately, the scabbards serial number does not match the swords . This is a very scarce and important very early production Japanese Army Type 95 NCO Sword. Press J to jump to the feed. of forging the blade using multiple folds,etc. Hi there what would you expect to pay for a aluminium handled no 3 sword with some blade staining/surface rust and a dentless scabbard with some surface rust? The above items are only a general guide. Could someone simply call the most obvious differences from the original? Further By placing an order, the buyer represents that he/she is in compliance with the law and will utilize the items in a lawful manner. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Japanese Arisaka Type 99 Last Ditch Complete Bolt With Matching Serial Numbers at the best online prices at eBay! None of the replicas have this feature. All the best. Eligible for all payments - Visa, Mastercard, Discover, AMEX, Paypal, Amazon & Sezzle. I am extremely thankful for the help/knowledge shared in this forum. Overall the fit and finish is definitely far above a replica, which can be seen in the photos. There are over 8 obvious indications the sword is a repro dressed as a fake. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. I completely agree with Bill here. Also, the tang on this is full length, with two holes. Even non-mechanical artsy-fartsy stuff. The serial number looks very short by the size of the painted over area - maybe too short. I very much doubt that it would matter, but even someone with a repro would be able to use that information to create a fake. Examine the hamon with a magnifying glass. What a bunch of junk. remounted in samurai type mounts by collectors. They just copy the real swords they import.Just comment what you like, you are not changing anything. The Phillips screw was only patented in 1932, and hadn't caught on in most of the world by WWII. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. It will have shrunk and is likely frayed and worn. When ANY doubt exists as to the authenticity or
So all of these swords are offered on egun.de, schwertshop.de and other german sellers. Also, they definitely like those brass tsukas, don't they! Seppa intergrated in the fuchi is a no go here. If there are serial numbers stamped in the blade, it is a machine made
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This sword is actually pictured on page 191 of Dawson . This prevents the sword from falling when the soldier is running. As above100% fakejust look at the fit on the saya throatBut yes they are getting betterBought a sword at a recent big militaria fair,actually two swordsleft them with the sellers instead of carrying them around when I came to pick them up was approached by a very polite Chinese fella who offered to buy them at a premium off meHe didn't hide anything said he was sending them back to ChinaAt the end of the show he had bags fullhe looked like ' Buckin Bronco ' carrying them away ! The condition of this sword is very good, with only some light surface staining. Paste as plain text instead, As with most Axis arms, late war versions of the Type 95 (with wooden tsuba) and are poorly constructed in comparison to those that preceded them in the development line but as a quirk of fate are often more collectible. These items are of
It is Type 95 with an aluminum tsuka. Otherwise that is dangerously good to newcomers or unwary collectors looking for that ebay goldmine. But machine made swords like this one do not have the accuracy of manufacturing that enable the Habaki to perform such a function. The sad part is someone probably will buy one of them too. Typical WWII Imperial Japanese Army style fittings, with a single suspension ring from the scabbard, known as the "New Military Sword" ( - shin guntou) style. Wayne i would have called bad on it, think F&G early book had balls that big, remember two diff stacked ball stamp, or not, memory, lol, i jest. Based on my research the sword meets all the criteria of an authentic WWII Shin-Gunto Type 95 with one exception which is confusing me. Hi all,while I'm sure our members know how to pick a fake NCO, I wanted to share these.http://mountcastlesantiques.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=277http://mountcastlesantiques.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=276&zenid=qot0424cgushvekob07rapkkq2The really disappointing part is that I informed the site owner about the first sword and provided a comprehensive list of indicators the sword is not genuine. 100 % newly made. Gun magazine laws, concealed weapons laws, laws governing new made display guns, airsoft guns, blank fire guns, and other items vary greatly by nation, state and locality. Eligible for all payments - Visa, Mastercard, Discover, AMEX, Paypal, Amazon & Sezzle. The blades are very straight and thin and often have significant flaws. The best place to look is at the serial Numbers. I do not think they will be able to make a perfect fake as there are too many small details right down to the materials used. No habaki. This is a great and guaranteed genuine Japanese NCO's Type 95 sword that was carried by a career soldier. Where should I look for records or production date/serial number guides? The great majority of these swords are made of carved bone, not ivory. The Americans destroyed a large number of swords by dumping them into the ocean or by melting them. this rare early solid copper handled sword, serial number 631 is all matching and it is also one of the very few known to exist that still has the original leather tassel hanger (saru-te). Be sure to read Reproductions and Fakes. Referencing Carlo's post from last year, I also used to collect some German (for MANY years) and was quite confident in my ability to spot fakes, but I admit the quality is now off the charts (especially helmets) and it forced me totally out of that hobby. Whether a blade is
You can't sell weapons on ebay.de it is forbidden and ebay close your account. I have been searching for years for a good reproduction of a Japanese Shin-gunto NCO sword. Something changed in the last 6 months. Stick to reliable sources more Han ever if you want to avoid getting burnt ! Grain does not determine age. The end of WWII marked the beginning of the sword ownership ban in Japan. There is no historical documentation that ninja used swords which were of a special design or differed from those used by other Japanese of the period. sword clubs in many cities. There are some Chinese replicas of these out there, however this sword is definitely genuine. All Images and Text Copyright 2003-2023 International Military Antiques Inc. All Rights Reserved. This is a blatant fake, which you should keep well away from. But as I have been at this for a while, I'm seeing how much better the reproductions are getting, and I realize that every bit of help they can get by reading posts like this, helps them make their fakes even better. Everything to know Japanese 95 nco swordPlease visit our Ebay store and subscribe to our channel https://www.ebay.com/str/thediamondmonkey42You will find in . Serial number placement. There are genuine collectors throughout China too. . Second the Font isn't even close. Some older (Shinshinto)
Close up and of kissaki and bohi termination is a must. The matching serial numbers indicate the sword was taken off You can post now and register later. Arsenal stamps do not appear on pre-1930's blades. NCO copper tsuka (handle) that is actually painted on top of the handle, I have not seen that before. Be the first to know of our latest discoveries and exclusive offers. All NCO swords were numbered. Is the blade sharpened all the way to the base where it joins the hilt? So many repros use Phillips or combination screws, especially on the saya. The first question to be answered - is it a real sword or a modern replica or an
Blade is 26.5 inches long, with an overall length of 36.5 inches. Does the blade show a true temper line (hamon)? to another sword / scabbard. Of the eight army arsenals active in the war only Kokura, Tokyo First and Nagoya were involved in the Type 95 program.
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