This was a part of his character, that inner self, that we used to say, "Me, myself and I will do something.". He had an interesting experience and he had a Russian wife. [He wanted to] get established and start the American life, live the American dream. He told me about it, and I told him I'd go with him. Tell me about his growing problems with Marina. PBS is a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization. We were a burden. He never did answer. He started teaching this mans son how to write and talk Russian. Yes, Oswald moved twenty times with his mother before he turned seventeen, which is when he joined the Marines. I had to ask him very serious questions. , Finally, I guess, I couldnt stand it anymore. You cant set that aside just because he is saying, Im a patsy. Id love to do that, but you cannot. Lee and Marina were having difficulties, just by being together -- I guess by being put in new circumstances and everything. He was relaxed, but at about the second day, he starts talking about where hes going. As this realization deepens and becomes more omnipresent and more unavoidable, he feels a greater and greater need to get out, to escape. So Oswald benefitted from all that. But she certainly conveyed it to John and I at very early ages. He had the presence of mind then to do that. Can you describe that for me? Tell me about that, and what his attitude is and the kinds of things you talked about. It maybe opened up some doors for him. What do you say to people who are so convinced or are trying to believe in his innocence? Later in the day, after driving into town with his two pet dogs and sending an emergency money order to one of his employees, Ruby walked to the nearby police headquarters, where he made his way to the basement via the Main Steet ramp. And not only that, but it offered immediate salvation, or immediate asylum. Convinced that his brother was solely responsible for the assassination of John F. Kennedy, Oswald offers details in this interview about Lee's formative years and young adult life, and describes how his brother's love of television shows on intrigue and espionage such as "I Led Three Lives," became the "training ground for his imagination." He'd actually applied for Albert Schweitzer's school in Switzerland, and been accepted for that summertime or fall semester. The first thing he says is -- and he points to it -- "It's tapped." His plans, as we well know now, were already made to go to Russia, rather than to Cuba. I anticipated, and I said to the family, "He'll be back within a year." They even asked me if Id ever been an agent of the federal government or the CIA. I said, What did you tell them? He says, Well, dont you know? and he just laughed. Then he joins the Marines, and then he has a lot of people barking at him, a lot of discipline. He had fallen deeply for Ella, and he had proposed to her and she had said no, and he saw in Marina somebody who was meant to distract him and carry him forward. I think he was surprised when he stepped off the plane in Dallas Field he asked me, What, no reporters? I said, Yes. Why was he asking for this lawyer, John Abt, up in New York? They even asked me if I'd ever been an agent of the federal government or the CIA." tapes & transcripts+credits+privacy policy This would have to be at the federal level. This was something all his own. What do you do with his general opportunity? How would he have reacted to that? Can you sort of talk about that character trait? Hes already tried living with Mother for about a week to 10 days, and that went the way it usually goes. This type of thing would interest him, whether he went to an art museum or a library or a movie theater or just walked around and saw sights. Did she let you know and did she let him know that the kids were a burden? The big question is why. Sending Out Veterans' Benefits, The Executive Branchs Response to the Flood of 1927, The Case For Calling the Language "American", America Fought Its Own Battle Over Books Before it Fought the Nazis. You've got all the physical evidence that ties together. ", home+introduction+interviews+forum+twenty four years+conspiracy But you go back to the death of Dad two months before he was born, thats a tremendous impact. He wasn't present when they took a head count [at the Texas School Book Depository]. . . He was a former Marine who had once defected to the Soviet Union. It's there; put it to rest. My first lawyer Tom Howard told me to say that I shot Oswald so that Caroline and Mrs. Kennedy wouldn't have to come to Dallas to testify. . NARRATOR: Within two hours, the police had arrested 24-year-old Lee Harvey Oswald. Theyve got your pistol. You look at that last year -- his work, and his family, trying to go to Cuba, trying to go back to Russia. We want to impose order and logic on everything. This video contains Oswald's complete television interview. During the conversation, Hoffa claimed that Ruby was assigned the task of coordinating police officers who were loyal to Ruby to murder Oswald while he was in their custody. I recently spoke with Mr. Savodnik over the phone about his book. What do you do with his pistol? In your mind, are there questions about whether Lee shot President Kennedy? I think it says that he is very pragmatic, and hes going to go with the punches. I think that, more than anything, sheds a spotlight on the one-dimensionality of his ideological commitments, as it were. He just wanted to see what he could do about getting it done. [Last Name] 1 Dawson C. Mills [4/26/2017] Ghosts of Mississippi Essay Late on the night of June 13th 1963, Myrlie Evers and her three children were together in the bedroom watching President ( at the time ) John F. Kennedy give a speech on civil rights. Can you summarize what the atmosphere was like there that Saturday, and what you made of it? . It just floors me, it floored me then. He could project this type of image, and he did; he tried to. It just didnt fit. He knew something they didn't know, and he would keep it to himself. That influence was just tremendous on him. So then what happens, and how does he get to Dallas? After getting some help with the Secret Service as far as getting a pass up to see Lee, I was allowed to visit with him approximately eight to 10 minutes. All these ups and downs he's having, he keeps trying to get up and make it at some level, but he's not succeeding. His mother had the same type of imagination. In 1977, McMillan wrote Marina and Lee, an intimate portrait of the Oswalds' life together. Advertisement Read the story | More coverage. For this 2003 publication of the interview, Mr. Blakey has added a notation to those questions touching on the CIA, and refers the reader to a long addendum at the end of the interview that reflects his opinion on the CIA in light of current revelations. Marguerite Oswald, mother of slain accused presidential assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, is shown in New York with attorney Mark Lane on February 17, 1964, after testifying in Washington before. But the Marine Corps has got set procedures and so forth to follow. He was in control. But a new book from world-renowned JFK assassination researcher Josiah "Tink" Thompson comes to a shocking different conclusion: Lee Harvey Oswald did not fire the fatal shot that killed. I think they're inseparable. This is a struggle that has gone on with me for almost 30 years now. Saltar al contenido principal.com.mx. There was always a constant move. But he would look at it. So then what happens, and how does he get to Dallas? And this opened up certain avenues or possibilities that would not have been available to him otherwise. What attracted her to Oswald and why did she come back with him to the United States? I didn't know -- but I think that was his posture all along, with the interrogators. Hes failing in his marriage and in his attempts to do whatever he wants to do. He's failing in his marriage and in his attempts to do whatever he wants to do. But he became disgusted with it and started rebelling against it, because he wanted to go back to a more independent attitude. They wasnt going to convince him to say something. LEE HARVEY OSWALD'S COMPLETE AUGUST 1963 WDSU-TV INTERVIEW David Von Pein's JFK Channel 44.3K subscribers Subscribe 415 71K views 9 years ago Three months before he assassinated President. Well look into it.. Similarly, the committee believed it was less likely that Ruby entered the police basement without assistance, even though the assistance may have been provided with no knowledge of Ruby's intentions The committee was troubled by the apparently unlocked doors along the stairway route and the removal of security guards from the area of the garage nearest the stairway shortly before the shooting There is also evidence that the Dallas Police Department withheld relevant information from the Warren Commission concerning Ruby's entry to the scene of the Oswald transfer.When Ruby was arrested immediately after the shooting, he told several witnesses that he helped the city of Dallas \"redeem\" itself in the eyes of the public, and that Oswald's death would spare \"Mrs. But the facts are there. But this had nothing to do with an intellectual or ideological coming to terms with some kind of intellectual maturation, although Oswald tried to explain it that way. He told me about it, and I told him Id go with him. Lee Harvey Oswald did not have any particular animus for John F. Kennedy. So from Oswald's vantage point, the Soviet experiment, as he would have seen it, was this marvelous opportunity to transcend where he came from. But Lee had that same personality type. There's a logic in that. But my goodness, this is completely out of the ballpark. He wasn't political. New book by Hoover fellow recounts his experiences knowing JFK's assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald. To me, you can't reach but one conclusion. Historically in his life, it was always done by himself. on May 8, 2016. FRONTLINE is a registered trademark of WGBH Educational Foundation. He would talk about anything else. We had an old black-and-white. When you learned he had defected, did you have any explanation? They've got the camera. If somebody passed out a leaflet on the street that contained a political statement for Marxism or communism or what have you, and if Lee had not run across that before, I could envision him looking at it, keeping it and saying, Well, I wonder what this is all about. This might have been the first leaflet that he ever got from anybody on the street. Did he talk about the Russian system and the American system and comparing the two? This was 1959. On Nov. 22, [1963] it went way downhill. When I returned home from work that evening, I asked him about it, and he said, Well, everything went all right. I think he just liked the atmosphere that you could do anything that you wanted to do, that you could imagine you could do. FRONTLINE: WHO WAS LEE HARVEY OSWALD? . Could you describe that process of disillusionment? The Most Risky Job Ever. Reporting on ISIS in Afghanistan. Definitely not. On the right right is Sgt. I said, "If you told me everything you've done, it seems to me you have a case that you could perhaps get a reversal on that, that you did not do anything that they anticipated you done." If somebody passed out a leaflet on the street that contained a political statement for Marxism or communism or what have you, and if Lee had not run across that before, I could envision him looking at it, keeping it and saying, "Well, I wonder what this is all about." He had the presence of mind then to do that. I think it says that he is very pragmatic, and he's going to go with the punches. Lee. When Lee came back, how did he react to visits from the FBI when they came and saw him here? home+introduction+interviews+forum+twenty-four years+conspiracy What do you do with his pistol? Tell me about his interest in the television show I Led Three Lives and what that says about him and his imagination. While in police custody, Oswald was murdered by Jack Ruby. There is no question in my mind that he also shot Officer Tippit. A former litigator, Posner is a fulltime investigative writer. The Soviets executed him on May 17, 1963. Jack Ruby changed history with one bold, violent action: killing accused presidential assassin Lee Harvey Oswald on live TV two days after the November 22, 1963, murder of President John F. Kennedy. So consequently, he calls me up and he tells me that they're moving to Dallas. Oswald was an avowed Marxist whose sojourn to the. Here was a start. I think that the allure of Marxism was its anger. Thats the shocker. Oswald lacked the historical or political consciousness of a genuine radical. Then he joins the Marines, and then he has a lot of people barking at him, a lot of discipline. He pressed the lieutenants, he pressed the platoon leaders. . It features interviews with Rachel Oswald Porter and June Oswald Porter, the daughters of Marina and Lee Harvey Oswald, who were raised by their mother and their adoptive father, Kenneth Jess Porter. True, no one saw him actually pull the trigger on the president but his presence in the building was there. Youve got all the physical evidence that ties together. December 4, 1963: In an interview Lee Harvey Oswald's mother, Marguerite Oswald, says assumes her son is innocent and that President John F. Kennedy would be alive and so would her son if Oswald . He never did answer. We talked about family matters. The Dallas Police Department was utter chaos. He didn't elaborate on that. Lee Harvey Oswald is dragged from the Texas Theatre by Patrolman C.T. When I returned home from work that evening, I asked him about it, and he said, "Well, everything went all right. ES. Chapter 1: Summary and Conclusions Chapter 2: The Assassination Chapter 3: The Shots from the Texas School Book Depository Chapter 4: The Assassin Chapter 5: Detention and Death of Oswald Chapter 6: Investigation of Possible Conspiracy Chapter 7: Lee Harvey Oswald: Background and Possible Motives Chapter 8: The Protection of the President He didnt elaborate on that. He did not and would not talk to any of the interrogators about anything of substance. After Lees return, approximately two weeks, in the latter part of June 1962, he gets a call from one of the FBI agents I believe that was Mr. Fain in wanting to have a meeting with him. Marina had gone over there to live with somebody until he got established over there. Using archival footage, interviews and dramatic reconstruction, "Killing Oswald" explores the mystery of how and why John F. Kennedy and Lee Harvey Oswald were assassinated in 1963. You've got the backyard picture. 49K views 9 years ago WDSU-TV interviews Lee Harvey Oswald in 1963 when he was living in New Orleans. To try to understand why Lee did what he did on Nov. 22 is a cumulative effect of all his past plans and efforts and failures. But at the same time, he always was trying to get away from her. It's about escaping the status quo and achieving some kind of greatness, as it were. You see him for a few days when he gets out [of the Marines]. Providing exclusive original content and interviews with some of the best known voices in the world of economics and precious metals. Walker and, still chewing his cigar, Detective Paul Bentley, on Nov. 22, 1963. Our mother was Lees most important person in his life. To try to understand why Lee did what he did on Nov. 22 is a cumulative effect of all his past plans and efforts and failures. I would love to be able to say that Lee was not involved in any way whatsoever, or much less to the extent that I believe that he was. I wrote him back that, to my knowledge, nothing he has done warrants any charges, because they did not let him accomplish anything over there, i.e., the U.S. Embassy did not accept his citizenship rejection. His comment was she is too much like Maw. That was our affectionate name for Mother. That influence was just tremendous on him. David Austin Walsh is the editor of the History News Network. Lee Harvey Oswald Shooting: Interview with Eyewitnesses - Reporters, Police (2012) Way Back 26.4K subscribers 439 185K views 8 years ago Later in the day, after driving into town with his two. I didnt know but I think that was his posture all along, with the interrogators. Once again, its just a continual cycle, and it starts downhill. He toyed with people like that. Nobody was telling him whether this was good, bad or indifferent, or what the consequences of what his actions were. He played an awful lot of hooky up there. I think that Marina's a very complicated character, and I think it's fair to say in Oswald she saw a very good opportunity. The planning that Lee did probably at least extended all the way back to the time he was in Japan because of the clothes he purchased at the time, If it didnt work for Russia, he was going to stay in Europe anyway. You see him for a few days when he gets out [of the Marines]. All these ups and downs hes having, he keeps trying to get up and make it at some level, but hes not succeeding. None took him seriously. Thats almost unbelievable. You dont think that there was any possibility that he was on some mission when he went to Russia? He says he got that at the theater, and they hadnt been mistreating him since then. He had alluded to some relationships when he was in the Marines, but as far as anyone knows there was no girlfriend, or no evidence of a girlfriend, there was just some kind of bravado or talk. Three, maybe more fundamentally, I think that modern man, especially in modern America, is just congenitally incapable of making sense of tragedy. They wasn't going to convince him to say something. He was relaxed, but at about the second day, he starts talking about where he's going. The two-hour documentary special traces Oswald's life from his boyhood to that fateful day in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963, posing a number of questions: Was Oswald the emotionally disturbed "lone. The National Archives released almost 1,500 documents including CIA cables and memos on Lee Harvey Oswald in the months before the JFK assassination. The two events -- the failed assassination of Walker and the successful assassination of Kennedy -- just represent a ratcheting up, and eventually there's this culmination of violence, which is meant to enable Oswald's escape from his life, and this way, the homicide is as much a suicide. However, Bolinas author Josiah Thompson says he has answered one very important question. He said no, he wanted that one up there. We spent some time together. Lee Harvey Oswald (October 18, 1939 - November 24, 1963) was a U.S. Marine veteran who assassinated John F. Kennedy, the 35th President of the United States, on November 22, 1963. How can you explain one without the other? She shared her viewpoints as to whether Oswald was guilty, whether he was a government agent and, whether he was pro or against Castro among others. And you dont know what the Sam Hill is going on?, I became kind of intense at that point, looking into his eyes. Radio Talk Show Host, Bob Allen Zoeken Amazon.nl. It just didn't fit. He was making fun of how inept they were, and he was making fun of them all the time. FRONTLINE reports from Iraq on the miscalculations and mistakes behind the brutal rise of ISIS. He planned by himself, he executed by himself, he failed by himself. Theres hard physical evidence there. The main thing was getting a job and a manuscript. While he does not see Oswald as a Soviet, CIA or FBI recruit, he is careful to point out many of the unanswered questions regarding Oswald's mysterious associations and possible ties to the mob. I asked him about this lawyer in New York and I told him I would get him one down here, meaning in Texas. He was just out of the Marine Corps. But he finally said, Brother, you wont find anything there.. Explore FRONTLINEs collected and ongoing reporting on Russia's war on Ukraine. Maybe the next time he went to the library, he would follow up on it, and say "Well, let's really see what this is about." Lee would rebel against the discipline of the Marine Corps when he had the opportunity to, when the leeway was there. He always enjoyed books, but then he started exploring other areas. When Lee is discharged, early discharge in September 1959, he returns to Fort Worth for about three days. The job's not doing that good. He's already tried living with Mother for about a week to 10 days, and that went the way it usually goes. You've got all kinds of documented evidence. Hola Elige tu direccin Libros. Lee would rebel against the discipline of the Marine Corps when he had the opportunity to, when the leeway was there. I anticipated, and I said to the family, Hell be back within a year. Well, it took him a little bit longer than that, but he started trying after a year to come back. He would tolerate anything for a little bit. Theyve got your rifle. Everything is deteriorating. You don't think that there was any possibility that he was on some mission when he went to Russia? On Nov. 22, [1963] it went way downhill. Only weeks earlier, he had visited Soviet. He seemed to really get involved with it. She has no control over him. But she certainly conveyed it to John and I at very early ages. Nothing illustrates the thinness, the superficiality of Oswald's ideology as his growing disillusionment with the Soviet Union. With regard to his return home from Russia in June 1962 with his family what did he tell you about reporters meeting him, and what do you think it really meant? As I learned later on, he's becoming very belligerent to Mother. He started becoming more and more independent and out on his own because Mother was working all the time, no brothers around, no father figure around, no adult that he was acquainted with that he could rely on to and talk to. The mind tells me one thing, and the heart tells me something else. Saturday, Nov. 23, 1963. It just floors me, it floored me then. , I think Ive come to an understanding of Lee that I have now that I didnt, of course I mean, I watched the deterioration of a human being. He wants to get some experience and write about it. John and I would be off doing other things. [He wanted to] get established and start the American life, live the American dream. I don't know. At what age Lee started gathering this, or sensing it, or hearing it and applying it to him, I don't know. Tell me about that, and what his attitude is and the kinds of things you talked about. He planned by himself, he executed by himself, he failed by himself. Even though Oswald says in his diary that Marina was surprised when he informed her he wanted to go back to the United States, she never puts any resistance. But certainly by age three, he had the sense, I need to be someplace else. Mother would be putting him with a nanny, or a babysitter, or in an orphan home with us, just to get us out of her hair. Aline Mosby was one of the first women assigned to cover the Kremlin, while stationed in Moscow in 1959 she interviewed a self-exiled Lee Harvey Oswald, who. He said no, that wasnt necessary, he could take care of it. But he became disgusted with it and started rebelling against it, because he wanted to go back to a more independent attitude. He did not and would not talk to any of the interrogators about anything of substance. Whats the best answer you come to for yourself regarding his motive? So it's not surprising that after just a few months, he began to grow tired of it. But it was not terribly electric, it did not offer a lot in the way of possibility or newness. Nobody was telling him whether this was good, bad or indifferent, or what the consequences of what his actions were. True, no one saw him actually pull the trigger on the president but his presence in the building was there. He's on a downhill run. The Dallas Police Department was utter chaos. He moves into his own apartment and everything. Can you sort of talk about that character trait? . To me, you cant reach but one conclusion. LEGEND: THE SECRET WORLD OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD : Epstein, Edward Jay: Amazon.nl: Boeken. That to me is very plausible for him to do. Marina Oswald and her mother-in-law, Marguerite Claverie Oswald, are seen through a window at the Dallas police station where her husband, Lee Harvey Oswald was being held in the. This was driven entirely by his own biography and history. This was his grand experience at the time. This would have to be at the federal level. I mean, youre his brother; you would want to believe more than anyone. Lee's fantasy life, to me, became apparent in the 1948, 1949, 1950 period. ISIS' growing foothold in Afghanistan is captured on film. After the assassination you see Lee in the police station, in the jail. But the diminutive nineteen-year-old Marine was serious. And it's not surprising, because in many ways Marina was the antithesis of Ella. He was assuming everything was being recorded, and, unfortunately, it wasn't. I Led Three Lives he became really engrossed in that particular TV show, and he was still watching it when I left to go in the Marine Corps in 1952. They didnt know for sure if he was an agent or not. I didnt press it any further. Theyve got the original negative. What was his concern? Three months before he assassinated President John F. Kennedy, 23-year-old Lee Harvey Oswald was interviewed a total of three times on radio and television in New Orleans, Louisiana.The attention Oswald received was undoubtedly due to the fact that the media considered him to be a very odd and unusual character. Describe a typical day in Oswald's Minsk. Now apparently, for whatever reasons or however they checked it out, they found out whatever he knew wasn't necessarily anything they'd be interested in. Lee's trying. I had to ask him very serious questions. In comparison to yourself, what was Lee missing from his childhood? This interview was conducted in 1993 in conjunction with Frontline's first broadcast of "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?" John and I would be off doing other things. ", I became kind of intense at that point, looking into his eyes. He had tapped into or been drawn to the emotions which that politics helped to foment, but did he have a deep understanding of how revolutions unfold, and the relationship between the proletariat and the means of production? He indicated that, if reporters were asking about when hes coming back, to say nothing He wanted not to be bothered by the reporters. As things progressed down the line the job didn't work out. They didn't know for sure if he was an agent or not. But he had said he was going to give the Russians any information he had, and it seemed like he did. Sat, Feb 25, 2023 LOGIN Subscribe for $1 If you had to take a guess about when he got his political beliefs, how he was introduced to Marxism, what would you guess? This is mind over heart. WDSU-TV interviews Lee Harvey Oswald in 1963 when he was living in New Orleans. We had an old black-and-white. Marina had gone over there to live with somebody until he got established over there. The jobs not doing that good. But I think all of Oswald's remarks are included here.To hear Lee Harvey Oswald's two radio interviews, go here:http://Oswald-On-The-Radio.blogspot.com ISIS is in Afghanistan, But Who Are They Really? I think the way Lee learned New York was just apply himself to it. That was our affectionate name for Mother. It had everything to do with the fact that he was not good at fitting in, at settling in, so as the realities of day-to-day life began to pile up, as they began to impose on him, he became less enchanted. " I'm just a patsy!"Lee Harvey Oswald Oswald the Assassin? Follow him on Twitter @davidastinwalsh. He indicated that, if reporters were asking about when he's coming back, to say nothing He wanted not to be bothered by the reporters. Hes failing at almost every level. Oswald refused to talk to anyone at the U.S. embassy. What do you do with his actions? I dont know. They've got the original negative. What Lee missed from his childhood in comparison to me was the whole family being together all the time.