It's time for the wave to return to the ocean. Composite Houses, I'll begin, of course, with the Ascendant and the first quadrant of the chart. He told me that had never happened to him before (referring to how we couldnt control ourselves). He knows me better than I know myself at times. Thank You for Your answer and best regards from Hungary! The 12th house is all about past life astrology, so the planets can . I was immediately flooded with emotion- I realized all at once how intensely close to him I was and needed to know if he was ok, etc. Venus (love) and Mars (sex) in the 7th House are a strong testimony as well. thundered However, with so much 12th house a individuals, and then as a couple, can there be something more than We are fated, but we are meant to part. And yes, you need to put the natal charts around the composite to see how this is going to affect the individuals. Then we hurt each other. But my heart and mind keep telling me to fight again. Mars and Pluto certainly do about Scorpio. I feel sad about that. And I learned a lot too. I would need a full synastry to really answer your question. Thanks. We challenge each other to be the best versions of ourselves. I just met someone who has their moon in 12th house like myself and im wondering if i need to investigate this more closely. It has felt fated, mesmerizing, seductive, magnetic and karmic. Well, his descendant point, and his ascendant ruler both conjunct my natal Lilith in my12 th house, orb2. However it can create a feeling of fate sometimes, since it's also the house of soulmates and psychic connections. Please enlighten me.. Usually, when the 12th house is heavily involved, whether it be a natal chart, a comparison, or a composite, the message is to let go. any input would be greatly appreciated!!! When composite Lilith is placed in the eighth house of the composite chart, this makes the relationship between the two people very intense. It usually indicates that there is something karmic surrounding that planet that needs fixingit is, in a prior life, something that was missed or misused between them. When transit Pluto is in the composite 12th house, you may feel more powerful and connected in the relationship when its just the two of you, behind closed doors, no one to bother. There are 12 houses of Nessus divided according to the sun signs, such as the rst house belongs to Aries, the second house to Taurus, and so on. how this would manifest? I was heart broken all over again. How ironic! We move from the personal world, giving up our individuality along the way, to become a plaything of the collective unconscious. Both of us are on a spiritual path, which is very important to each of us. Thanks Dawn! I noticed you dont offer composite readings. Curious about the sexual response (if there will be anything), its friendly. Mercury in the first is a good aspect to have because of the communication involved and the ability to think clearly regarding the relationship. If you see any intense conjunctions between the Sun, the Moon, Juno, the South Node, Saturn, Venus, Mars, Lilith, etc. It doesn't have to be a breakup. But thank you for helping me face reality. I found composite Saturn on the 12th house, trining the composite Sun/Venus/Merc on the 8th and sextile to the Moon on the 2nd. With composite Pluto in their 9th house, danger lies in dogmatism. My nn is conjunct his sun and mercury. While separated from his girlfriend and in the final stages of breaking it off with her, we had several secret liaisons- more 12th house. But venus, mars, moon and vertex in the first house in pisces. It can be in a subconscious way, and you subconsciously want to have all of the power and control. P.S. These individuals are highly empathetic, but they want to protect their privacy, and they are not easy to open up. let go or fight for it? Any advice would be helpful. It has left a hole in my heart, (composite chiron conjunct asc) and I suffered from insomnia regretting I should or shouldnt have done. We need strong, healthy egos to accomplish what weve come to do in this life, but we need to act according to what is wanted of us, not against it. I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. thanks Dawn! Ive recently broke up with what was felt the love of my life the most pure and locvng relationship ever. With Lilith so deeply involved, this relationship has a direct bearing on your feelings about your sexual power. You can imagine the past 10 years have not been easy. Sorry, I cant respond to lists of aspects. VERY-VERY SORRY! I still could love this man with his faults which I know he has but he is so caring and nice. Could be a seperation. Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. Its impossible to do one without composites or progressed composites. . He eventually ended it because he was afraid wed go into a dark place with each other again- our relationship was very intense, and my insecurities and control issues combined with his youthful sloppiness are what destroyed it. So much uncertainty and confusion!! We see each other regularly in our spiritual activities, and yet live on opposite coasts, and though dedicated to each other 100% as spiritual allies (and possibly more), we have no intentions of giving up our day-to-day independence. Pluto, Sun, Venus & Mercury in the 12th/Virgo. Romantic Conjunctions in the 12th House. I still remember very clearly how I felt 10 years ago when I first met my former boyfriend. This is a complicated question and needs a subtle analysis in the chart, but on the whole, planets in the first house side of the angle center around the development of a healthy sense of Self, of ego, whereas planets on the 12th house side of the angle will be dealing with karma surrounding ego choices, and the planets will take on a more archetypal energy and effect. Found the site while trying to decipher a stellium in a composite 12th house. And youre so right, because there is something about the compo 12 th house ! Sorry I cant get into too much detail here, but if your composite Sun is conjunct Saturn, Pluto and the Ascendant then you can only take comfort in the fact that the relationship is meant to be transforming and spiritually challenging. However, when I examine our composite chart, I was shocked. This makes so much sense. Thank you for such an eloquent understanding, this has helped me. I dont want to lose this relationship too so I would like to help me to find out the karmic lesson. Transit Neptune in the Composite 12th House. VERY-VERY SORRY! Thanks so much Dawn. And what does it mean our 12th. I have my sun in the 12th house of my natal chart, and we both have venus in the 12th house of our natal charts. We share the same dreams, communicate telepathically, had a fated magnetic meeting; we are truly best friends. There is also a Mars in the 12th that doesnt get really any support from anything. One valuable lesson I learned is to refrain being attached to an outcome with him. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. Dawn, thank you for writing this article. When transit Saturn is in the composite 12th house, you may feel that old issues or subconscious issues in the relationship become more of a problem, and need to be worked on, understood, and moved on from. We communicated telepathically and still do. So I had to find an answer without destroying so many other lives or breaking up relationships. As far as the four major asteroids are concerned, I find that house position is not as important as aspect. however, we are very well aspected with neptune in trine and sextile to our nodes, as our sun, but our vertex is opposed and conjucted. Composite Pluto in the 9th house: There is an added layer of complexity to their combined life philosophy. I wouldnt say that one is more important than another. Since Lilith is being hidden in the 12th . Unable to forget it? I can honestly say that I love this man from the highest level of my being, but I dont feel we belong together in a committed relationship. This is an ultimate guide to Lilith in the Twelfth House of astrology! Im trying to determine the karmic lessons we need to learn from this. cheers:). so we find the True in each other. We all have things we come in to this life to accomplish, achieve, or learn. Although Im aware this is only an illusion of my mind and nothing else , this illusion is so strong and so frequent that I ve at least learned to live with it and Ive given up struggling against it. our composite mars-venus conjunction opposes composite uranus, sun, mercury all conjunct from seventh house. I think that your article is quite amazing, but for those of us who are making these relationships work for us I wish you would have given some cases in which it can work. The 12th house is always complex and is different in how it manifests depending on the contacts involved. The relationship only lasted a few months but for some reason it has left a deep-seated, soul-touching impression with me. I found composite Saturn on the 12th house, trining the composite Sun/Venus/Merc on the 8th and sextile to the Moon on the 2nd. What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? 12th House Meaning. What to make of this? Struggling against our own unconscious is not an easy thing What of mother-daughter pairs? The Moon/Mars (Virgo) sextiles a close Sun/Jupiter (Cancer) conjunction in the 10th, sextiles Uranus (Scorpio) in the 2nd, trines Ceres (Capricorn) in the 4th, and squares Neptune (Sagittarius) in the 3rd all very close aspects. One of my longest relationships featured a Lilith-Sun/Ascendant conjunction in synastry. 4) Conjunctions to the Axis/Angles = very strong bond. If anything new would happen you would dbe the first one to know! Lilith (M) 5 58' Leo . It is SO powerful! You explain the ineffable. We all find our gods where we can and must. Please forgive me, there are much to read and ask, Your inputs will be very much appreciated. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? The house is famous for being the house of self-undoing, but it can also be the house where we find our fame and fortune. Aspects to composite planets will fill in the details. Thank You so much for Your answer! This position can show one person makes all of the sacrifices and the other person takes everything . The composite chart is probably the best known. For whatever reason, you may have a secret relationship . Hi Evelyne. The 12th house has to do with summarizing and accepting all that has come before it, whereas first house planets are very pure, almost innocent, in their expression. I am a strong 12th house person- the sun in Libra conjunct Pluto/Mercury in Scorpio, with Saturn in Scorpio widely conjunct my Scorpio ascendent (I told you I was intense) and he has no planets in the 12th. Transit Venus in the Composite 12th House. We feel that very beautiful in our life! My natal venus is in the 12 th house. The Mars/Neptune square did bring an element of slipperiness, but mostly irritating fibbing on his part. If you have Lilith in the 12 th house of your chart, her themes will manifest in terms of isolation, the shadow, and limitation. Hi HGOf course, these articles cant contain every single exception, and the whole chart has to be taken into consideration. Thank you for your insight. . I cant stop the regretful feelings. Is there something to be read from this cluster of planets in 12th house? Oh the powers of the 12th house. So, the composite Venus and Saturn are also in the 12th house. We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. Is this why I am feeling this more? When we split up I cried every day for a month. Ninety-three percent of her astro is in the 12th: the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Lilith, Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus. However, the greatest truths will be revealed through periods of meditation and silence. If I did not believe in Karma or Fate now I do not have ANY DOUBT that really something runs our life from out there for good or bad A very painful and challenging connection. Juno is also important. Composite Neptune conjunct the angles (within 4 to 5 degrees) gives Neptune prominence in the relationship. That is really challenging chart I assume and I dont know whether I go for this guy or not. You dont want, on the whole, a composite Mars in the 12th square to Neptune, unless you are missionaries or you plan to open up a swimming pool installation company. Our strongest aspect is Saturn Trine Moon. yeah, i think we didnt invest much efforts in getting/staying togetherhowever, when I tried to pursue more, I felt as if I was more needy and I cared more about this relationship, as his respose to my efforts was quite blank and gruff. They usually experience issues with drugs or alcohol. Lord knows I do drive myself crazy with lost love/unrequited love. The Autumn Schedule is Here! I and my boyfriend have conjunction of mars-venus in twelfth house (taurus) closely conjuncting composite gemini ascendant. In our synastry chart, we also have exact Chiron/Venus opposition. What if the composite chart has two strong stelliums: one is made up of the outer planets in the 12th, the other Sun/Mercy/Venus/Juno in the 10th (and moon and mars are in the 8th). Id appreciate any information. Its difficult because boundaries dissolve and we find it hard to maintain our separateness, which is necessary in a healthy relationship. (We also have some 4th and 8th house synastry with me as the planet person, and 3 planets in the composite 4th). Your email address will not be published. Our physical connection was addicting. But from the first moment I felt and I know he did as well this very big attraction to him. However, humans are imperfect, and complete faith is hard to keep up all of the time. If you dont like how someone operates, who cares how connected you are to them? Its what happens when a sensitive person loves another human being. Its hard for me to stop dreaming about this person. The composite chart with the man Im involved with has an extremely tight Moon/Mars conjunction in the 12th, along with the North Node. Our Composite Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Jupiter are in the 12th, Gemini. Illusions yes I know. When Pluto is conjunct the North Node, our mistakes can be more dramatic and our adjustments have to be greater. There is also Mercury in Taurus at 12 degrees, but this is in the 1st. We have met up a few times since then, but our feelings for each other were immediate and are exceptionally strong even without the benefit of an active physical relationship. thank you for post! I read your article and its really touching! Thank you Dawn for this very interesting article. In Our composite chart Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and Chiron in the 12 house. Thank you very much for the answer. Thank you. etc. This resonates with me. Sure someone up there wants to teach me a lesson (again!). Transit Uranus in the Composite 12th House. When transit Mars is in the composite 12th house, you may become aware of subconscious drivers and motivators in your relationship, and this can help you gain a better understanding of one another. Since your Part of Fortune is in the 12th house of your birth chart, the sixth house is the opposite house. 1) Planetary house overlays (1, 5, 7, 8, 9 = most important) 2) Planetary aspects. Good luck. You have a strong synastry and a strong 1st house in the composite, and of course that makes a difference. Our ascendant is also pisces but our Uranus-Venus opposite position makes lots of deals in our relationship besides the 12th and 6th house. I feel there is no Karmic tie to this person, my intuition leans more towards twin flame type status. The working dynamic of the partnership is in the biwheel (how do you make me feel?) My fiance and I have an exact conjunction of Sun/Mercury in the 12th in Taurus with Venus also being the chart ruler and placed in the 1st. She has great remorse about it and is seeking help to try and put an end to it. Keteki says: May 7, 2012 at 4:21 pm . So beautifully written Dawn. You mentioned that couples with 12th house emphasis usually come together for a specific purpose and once that is completed the relationship is destined to end (thats what I gathered anyway). Im afraid I cant get into it in this space (in the synastry course, we spend several lessons comparing the midpoint and Davison charts). Several weeks ago, my wife revealed that she has been hiding a secret life of crushes and short-lived affairs from me over the past 4 years. The empty space in Aries, would that be the outlet or where to focus all that energy? I really feel like there is a wolf howling in a forest at night and I hear his call , I know I am the female wolf and that the call is for me and I have to go to him now. Also my moon is conjuct to his sun both ways. This person and I believe were soulmates, and I would go further to say were twin flames as we share some many parallels in our lives, similarities, and all the other strange features of a twin flame relationship as describe by many. .why is neptune conjunct sun so bad in composite? Dear Dawn, thank you for this amazing article. I really love this article its very beautifully written and bittersweet, but anyone with a natal 12th house venus and venus in pisces has walked these roads. Because thats what it feels like! The Sun person sees in the 11th house person someone, who they can spend pleasant time with. Am I right in deducing that this relationship is more of an initiation? !! IF THIS IS NOT A TRAGIC LOVE STORY THAN WHAT IS? If we do things out of fear or for security, and we dont listen to the call to step onto our proper path in life, we are serving the ego instead of the soul. Overall the chart has a heavy emphasis on the 10-12 houses, and no planets at all in the 5-9 houses, with the exception of Chiron in the 8th house (which sextiles the MC and trines the Moon/Mars as well). Also, I would think that the answer to your issues is not in the composite, but in your natal comparison. mercury and mercury conj. Loving and letting go, as well as maturing your love into a transcendant form of love where you are able to love so deeply that you give it the potential to annihilate you, yet you learn to let go and allow the natural changes in the state of our being has been a reoccurring theme of my life. I just am hesitating. Sadly, our Moon is square to Uranus and I suspect this might be one influence behind her decision to break off all contact with me.